and i just don't see the obama administration doing that. i'm not trying to say that she will give in lightly here. it's more could there be ways in which some of the goals that she did articulate as a candidate could be pursued prudently, carefully as an alternative path that might be worth a try? might be worth a shot? >> when you say she, you mean president park, not xi jinping. >> yes, thank you. [laughter] well, it could be a she/xi strategy. [laughter] >> evans? >> since we're talking about various initiatives, let me throw out for your consideration the let's throw cold water on this initiative, just to be devil's advocate just for a second. just to remind everyone that, first of all, to be perfectly clear here, i'm a very strong advocate of south/north dialogue. the north korean reaction to that was almost unprincipled. so that's part of the problem. the south koreans -- the north koreans may be willing to have a conversation with south korea, but not about nuclear matters, number one. number two, the north koreans are deeply uncomfo